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Note to viewer: Hi I'm a member of the zeitgeist movement and I wanted to attempt to debunk some of the accusations, illogic and misrepresentations in the movie Aquarius: The Age of Evil. However the account you're watching this on is not mine; I have very limited access to the internet. It's a privilege that you're able to read this text. Why? Because human ingenuity has enabled us this opportunity and will lead us to greater heights of productivity if we allow it to flourish. This will be for the sake of improving lives and not for the sake of fictional profit. I hope one day the internet will only be referred to as an open source project, because knowledge is and forever will be free. |
TIME HAS NO EMOTION an attempted debunking of Aquarius: The Age of Evil By Anonymous Version zero (there's always room for improvement). |
PART ONE |
"Two working hands can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer." - Anonymous |
Keith Thompson: The new world order exists. The elite are occultists who adhere to New Age doctrines and they are responsible for this new trend of discrediting Christianity, Jesus Christ and the Christian new world order researchers. There is a voluminous amount of data that I have obtained in my research on this subject. But, after watching this production do not believe me. Don't believe a word of what I'm saying. Do your own independent research and verify this for yourself. |
No I don't believe what you're saying. There are areas of Christianity that deserve to be identified as shameful and others that deserve to be praised for their truthfulness. It's not as simple as black and white, TZM doesn't encourage Christianity to be rejected 100%. A prime teaching to be praised is love thy neighbour/love your enemies. Then anything that corrupts that teaching should be thrown in the bin. Like tearing out a valuable page from a book you don't need anymore. |
Keith Thompson: After studying the occult and the esoteric in depth I have come to the conclusion that the Zeitgeist Movement and the Zeitgeist films are based on Theosophy, Freemasonry and the New Age. For those who are unfamiliar: in 2007 a man named Peter Joseph released a film called Zeitgeist. This film received millions of views on the internet and became very popular. Then in 2008 Zeitgeist Addendum, the sequel came out. From there Peter Joseph established the Zeitgeist Movement. |
The dictionary describes the word Theosophy as; 1. A system of belief based on mystical insight into the nature of God and the soul The dictionary describes the word Freemason as; 1. A member of a widespread secret fraternal order pledged to mutual assistance and brotherly love |
The term zeitgeist movement can be defined as: a call for change from the current social climate of our time. The reason the movement came into being was because people were unsatisfied with the current social climate and operations that are currently in place. Although you could say Peter Joseph founded the movement, if everyone were satisfied with the current state of affairs of war, poverty, corruption, hunger etc, then NO-ONE would join or aid the direction the zeitgeist movement/the venus project presents. Over time if a group doesn't get any support it's likely to dissolve. |
The goal outlined by the movement is to basically use the best methods for recognisng how our reality works and to use a social system aligned with those laws of nature (resource based economy). The term that defines how to follow these laws is the scientific method. |
Laws of nature determine basic human needs: Breathable air Food and water Shelter Constant need to update knowledge Effective transportation Efficient energy Peaceful environment |
It is not a belief/opinion to say a human being needs food and water, when it comes to the fundamentals for survival opinions are useless. What we are looking to do is to eliminate the need for belief/opinion in the most critical areas. To relate the zeitgeist movement to a group that wants to have mystical beliefs is incorrect. We don't believe we need to move into a better direction, we know we need to move into a better direction. You don't hear people saying "I believe eating food is optional". If you have though they're deluded. |
So the question is how can a movement that wants to do away with the need for opinions in critical areas of human life be related to a group that isn't concerned with doing away with belief but by its basic definition would want to spread their system of beliefs? theosophy's slogan is there is no religion higher than truth, but really that's an understatement. To show absolutely no fear of the truth would be to say that doubt is higher than truth because what is truth is only true momentarily. With the constant update of information we have today, there is only what is true for the moment. Although there are fixed laws of nature (or god, take your pick in terms) how great we understand them changes. We don't want to get mystical insight into the nature of "God" or reality, when you punch in some numbers into a calculator and it gives you an answer is the calculator mystical or magical in a way that's unexplainable? Or does the mechanisms inside the device compare the digits punched in and follows a method of what to do to those numbers, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, etc. |
I don't see how Freemasonry can be considered strongly similar to TZM. We are not a men's club that believes a god needs to be worshipped. The way I would describe this reality metaphorically is god and satan twisted together, neutral. That might offend people with strong religious views because they come across as they want a definite difference between the ideas good and evil. But when we think about what can happen in this reality (or gatad god and satan as one word) it simply allows for anything to happen within its laws. For example, harmonious organisms live within equilibriums in nature. At the same time parasitic cancerous organisms can exist, where their existence only causes suffering. No matter how much a person is a sinner or a saint, the law of gravity will force them to walk on the ground. What all loving god allows people to get cancer? That's why we don't believe in god in the exact same manner as religions do. However we do think mutual assistance among people is a good thing but is it evil or conspiratorial to think that since freemasons do? |
The first Zeitgeist film was divided into three sections. The second section was about 9/11 being an inside job. The third section was about the corruption of the Federal Reserve. I have no real issue with the last two sections. But, since the release of the first Zeitgeist film, Peter Joseph the creator has distanced himself from the 9/11 issue altogether. [Quote:] "… may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an "inside job" perpetrated by a power- hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently "moved away from."(9) [Narration:] This makes me wonder if the only reason he spoke about 9/11 in the first film was to get the 9/11 truth movement on board with his agenda. The first section of the film is what I have an issue with. Contained in this section is the modern belief system of the New Age Movement, the Theosophical Society and Freemasonry. |
If you pay for video you're being scammed knowledge is free. |
The first zeitgeist movie demonstrates the destructive nature of opinion or faith. Section 1 the misinterpretations of what God is and the consequences. Section 2 the consequences of following people/political tradition rather than following calculation. Section 3 the misconception of money as real and how it is only destructive and dishonest. If you have a problem with the first part shouldn't you have a problem with the others? All revolve around the fact that blind faith causes destruction and shows absence of compassion for all people. |
The problem Christians seem to have is the idea that their teacher Jesus Christ may not have historically existed. So the argument seems to be that the source of the information that compares Horus to Jesus did not come into being through investigation, but preferably (to them) it came about through belief by evil groups. |
What seems to be missed entirely though is the question of how relevant is the existence of these enlightened figures in history? Apparently one of the teachings in Christianity is "love thy neighbour", and a Christian may attribute this wisdom to Christianity's teacher Jesus Christ. Besides having conflicting and self-preserving messages that contradict and corrupt that teaching, wouldn't that teaching "love thy neighbour" be more important than who it's actually credited to? Does the idea of Jesus not historically existing suddenly make the idea of respecting your neighbour worthless? Wouldn't Jesus want to make that teaching free for anyone to follow? It seems like the importance of the historical Jesus is like the glorification of movie and music stars, like a poster on a teenager's wall. |
Jesus didn't exist? Oh I guess I shouldn't follow the teaching love thy neighbour and just hate everyone now. If the teacher was fictional then that must mean the teaching is fictional. No! Since this attempted debunking video is done anonymously and is not done by Keith ThompsonTM © ALL RIGHTS RESERVED KEITHTRUTH ENTERPRISES it must not have value. |
It should be noted that in the version of zeitgeist the movie I have, there is no mention of the name Peter Joseph at all, which implies the desire was to remain anonymous. |
Consider this; if I say people should generally respect each other because conflict reduces productivity, does that statement have no value since I'm remaining anonymous? If a teaching like that is beneficial to everyone and is passed around, why is the original author so important? Do you think if Jesus was here right now he would have the ego to say "YES! I said love thy neighbourTM Copyright Christianity Inc. I'm the author of that and no-one can love their neighbour unless they get my bibleTM."? It doesn't seem likely. In truth there are no authors of anything, there are only discoveries of combinations, patterns, trends, indicators etc. What is most effective can be discovered through examination. What a character like Jesus would be concerned about is if you're following the path of loving your neighbour, a teaching cannot be copyrighted. What is the point of life if you're not following that path? There's almost no point in memorising the teaching of love thy neighbour unless it's actually practiced, the only point of knowing it without practicing it is probably only in hope that the meaning of the teaching is realised. |
The true path of enlightenment is recognising that we are students simultaneously as we are teachers, it is following logic and reasoning, it isn't following biased emotional inclinations. True enlightenment comes from asking questions leading to logically sound conclusions. However you never reach enlightenment; you can only walk on a path to being enlightened. The minute you say "Yes! Now I am enlightened and I don't need to take in anymore information." is when you become ignorant. |
The reason I assume PJ moved away from the topic of 9/11 is because you can focus on corruptions in this current social system forever. Coming up with long-lasting solutions to our current problems is much more difficult than investigating the endless problems with our current situation. The idea is to raise the level of thinking. The question is; how do you install preventative maintenance that disables poverty, hunger, violence, war, human suffering and other negative elements of society from coming into existence, and ensure productivity, efficiency, and happiness? |
Please note as well how it says "to get the 9/11 truth movement on board with his agenda" as if the information and direction presented in zeitgeist films is simply all PJ's fabrication, PJ said this and PJ said that, pointing to him as if he's the god of the zeitgeist movement. This tactic indicates that the creator of the film wants you to hate/dislike an enemy rather than following the valued teaching of love your enemies to reach sound resolutions. This is the type of cancerous attitude TZM wants to get rid of because of its harmful nature. |
[Resistance Radio with Mark Dice, Peter Joseph:] Mark Dice: "Danny in Englewood you're on the air go ahead." Caller: "Yeah you're going to take this the wrong way Peter J. director of Zeitgeist but what you just said sounds exactly like Satanism. I'm not saying that you are Satanic." Peter Joseph: "I don't believe in Satanism. If you want to use that word, that's your own idea." Caller: "Do you know what Satanism is? Atheists - people who do not believe in a God; people who believe that man is God. That's what Satanism is." Peter Joseph: "Yeah that's correct. You are God." Caller: "Okay, then you are a Satanist." (64) [Quote:] "… and ye shall be as gods." - Satan, Genesis 3:5(65) |
To debunk the way this clip is used we need to examine what PJ means by saying "You are God." It should be noted that in this clip Keith emphasizes "You are God" by repeating it and bending its pitch lower every time it's repeated. This shows me he wants to demonise PJ, contradicting the teaching of love your neighbour/love your enemies. |
Dictionary description of god 1. Any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. 1.2. The supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions 1. A man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people "he was a god among men" 2. A material effigy that is worshipped "money was his god" |
I don't think of god (what can be called gatad) in the same way as Christians, so you could call me an atheist. I don't think you can point to a single being that is depicted as an old wise man with a white beard and call that god. It's too egotistical to me to say that a jealous god created this universe and he looks like a human male with a white beard. |
The idea of people believing they are gods is like believing you don't have to obey the laws of nature, say believing you can walk on walls and disobey gravity. Saying you don't need to eat and drink to live is just as insane as saying that you are god and you control the laws of nature. So how can I say that and be a member of the zeitgeist movement if members share a lot of critical thoughts? Becoming god might also be like somehow becoming the blanket of time that shades everything and that is boring. You would never know of anything new and you'd be neutral to everything. From the beauty of a human being to the disgusting nature of cancer, you'd view it as the same. |
I assume what is meant by "You are God" is he's trying to get people to recognise their own personal power, humanity's potential for greatness once you remove egotism or the opinionated want for authors to be recognised and respected at a level that isn't logical anymore. If you have such a delirious focus on the importance of authors then you loose sight of the truth that knowledge is free. Evidence of this can be clarified at the very end of zeitgeist the movie's narration. "If people ever realise the truth of their relationship to nature and the truth of their personal power, the entire manufactured zeitgeist they pray upon will collapse like a house of cards". |
The fact is the human brain which we use to come up with whatever we like isn't exactly our brain is it? How can there be an author of something when the brain that was used to make it has always been given to us to use? We say this is my brain but really it's an extremely advanced piece of hardware that has been given to us. The most important choice for us to make right now is whether to use this hardware that has been given to us wisely or we will destroy ourselves. Labeling people good or evil, satanic or a saint makes thinking for people less complex and it breeds hated, which again is against the teaching of love thy neighbour. How? Well atheists are hated by Christians because they don't think of god exactly the way as Christians do, and I'd say atheists don't like to feel the negative energy of hated and would probably admit that they refuse to adpot the simplistic view of good vs. evil which is offensive to a religious view point of view. |
Watch part two for continuation. |
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